I've been neglectful of this page lately... The truth is... I've said just about all I can on Manson. I've explained how I became facinated in him, just who I think he really is, and how and why I find him innocent. The last post, just to be completely thorough, I reviewed everything I spoke of so far. Fear not, this page is not dead. I've gotten a letter recently, by a Mr. RJ Walton, with two very relevant questions, one of which I still have trouble answering. This was my attempt to do so.

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I just stumbled upon this post after seeing MansonDirect.com. Very interesting stuff. I have a few questions though that perhaps someone could enlighten me to. Personally, I have no stance on whether Manson was guilty or not. I could see it going either way, the govt, nixon and the media creating a biased, misinterpreted assault on a hippie. But i could also see Manson as the human failure that was his life. A broken person. The only ones who know for sure whether he did or didn't brainwash his family were the ones that were actually there at the Ranches and that spent significant time with the man. Either way, i consider the man a genius.

Questions:

1) If Manson was not racist as he stated in his court testimoney in 1970 (he claimed that he only reflected Danny's racism back at him) what is the purpose of having a swastika tatooed on your forehead?

1) Manson is most definately not a racist. I can't remember the date or place, but I remember reading in "Taming the Beast" that he was set on fire by imprisoned KKK members for being so friendly towards the black inmates. Everyone who has given him trouble in his life is white, and I've never really heard him say anything about blacks, really, outside of that testimony. The purpose of the swastika backfired completely. It has huge meaning far beyond the Nazi party. For around 3,000 years, it was a symbol of good luck and life for cultures all around the world. Check here (http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm) for an article on it, and here (http://www.mansondirect.com/judgenot.html) For Manson himself's take on it. I've also heard him ramble about Hitler... but I truly believe he does it to be inflammatory, just to screw with people. Over the years he's come to endorse and kind of revel in this monster cult leader psycho persona he's been given. Heck, I probably would, too.

2) In response to Manson's claim that he was simply a reflection of others' thoughts and feelings and that he truly was not guilty of this conspiracy against him I still have to say he has to rest some fault onto his shoulders. (Which he refuses to do) On LSD, he claimed that the girls only "assumed" he had brainwashed them. It became semantics and a word game. If this is in fact what happened, why did he not step in and tell them NOT to kill (on the basis that he states he is an enviromentalist and not a killer). He states that he is against the killing of animals (which are better than we, as humans) and that he could not even consider locking up another human being as society has done to him. To me, this gives a sense of compassion. A sense of a man who would be totally against the act of murder in any form. Why then, did he not step in and tell them NO. If there was a conspiracy by the Straight Satan motorcycle gang and the rest of the girls, he put himself in that position by not putting an end to the make believe.

2) Now... this question, above all others, I am usually at a loss for. I will say, no matter what his excuse or philosophy about it all, he is completely wrong in not trying to stop Tex and the girls. His reasoning, and I believe he's telling the truth, as in over 30 years he's not changed his story, is that he never told them to do anything. "Charlie, I want to paint a picture of you today!" or "Hey... we're gonna start Helter Skelter!" would get the same response, according to him. He didn't bring them together to boss them around. He'd just tell them something stereotypically hippie: "Do what your love tells you to," or "Is that really what you feel like doing?"

     Towards the very end of it all, before the murders, I also know Manson saw everything going downhill. He wanted out, and was caught trying to leave everyone. He says that at that point, he had washed his hands of all of them, and didn't really respond to any of them at that point. I still don't like this part of the story, and I don't agree with the idea of anyone not doing everything in their power to stop a murder...

Thanks for asking these questions, RJWalton. It gave me reason to update again. If you ever have any more, or anything you'd like to bring to my attention, feel free to do so.

Peace,

Nathan

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That second question still makes me uneasy... but frankly, it's the only thing that really makes me lift an eyebrow. Manson is an *extremely* quirky fellow, and has a lot of idiosyncrasies that kinda rub me the wrong way. I still truly believe he's innocent, however.

This goes out to everyone else reading this page... should you have any questions you'd like me to answer, I'll be happy to do so, providing I haven't done so already (If so, I'll happily direct you to where I've already done so). I've stated everything I could... Turning this into a Q&A page will probably be the only chance of keeping this page regularly updated.

Peace, everyone, and enjoy life.

-NathanBeast

Just recently I was made a part of the front page of MansonDirect.com. This is a very high honor to me, and also gives me a responsibility I hadn't had before. Now, it seems, many many more people are going to read, and possibly be influenced by what I have to say. I'm going to make a stronger and more consistant effort to be fair, two sided, rational, and easily accessible to people just starting to read this forum.

First, let me explain my fascination with the whole Manson story. It all started off fairly silly. I was growing my hair out back in high school a few years ago. As people were noticing the change in appearance, a few people, quite a few people actually, told me I looked just like Charles Manson. I didn't know the first thing about him then, but the more and more I heard the comment, the more and more I became interested in learning about this horrible monster I was being told about, if not just so I could simply make jokes about it later. As luck would have it, we spent an entire semester learning about him in Law Studies a few weeks after I started doing research of my own.

I was told about his criminal background. I was told about his drug use. I was told about the fanatical devotion and love everyone around him seemed to have. I was told about his failed musical career. I was told about how he ordered people to kill. Afterwards, I was told why he ordered these murders. Noone else in the room seemed to, but I raised an eyebrow at this. This is what I was told, and this is what he was convicted for:

The Helter Skelter Theory: "Charles Manson thought the Beatles were the four horsemen of Apocalypse. The song 'Revolution #9' was a call to arms, personally warning Manson of the coming race war. All of the blacks on earth were going to kill all the whites on earth, and after they were done, they would discover they were too stupid to rule themselves. The would then come to Manson (a white man) for guidance and leadership. However, to start this race war, Manson ordered his family to commit a series of murders, and to try to place the blame on the Black Panthers. After this struck the black's ire, the Family would wait out the world war in the desert, and eventually come out after the battle, and Manson would then rule the planet."

I heard this, and was completely awestruck. I didn't know what to think. "Could someone actually be this out of touch?! What has to be going on in this person's head?" Thus, as with all interesting things, I did research. Tried to see what would make someone this loopy, and found out several interesting facts along the way.

Apparently, Manson never liked the Beatles. He was born in the '30's, and the whole teenybopper craze went beyond him. His favorite musicians are Frank Sinatra and Willie Nelson. His musical tastes fall mainly into folk/crooning type music, as evidenced by the style he plays.

He never had any interest in ruling the planet. I listened to a few interviews, trying to find out what would make him think the blacks would raise him to the role of 'world monarch,' and found out instead that he moved to the desert to be alone, away from society. The people he took along were the people he saw in the same situation as him; miserable with current society, and looking for something else. He did what a lot of hippies did back then: He gathered a large group of people, and formed a commune, miles and miles away from anyone. It didn't strike me as the 'powerhungry tyrant' stereotype.

He wasn't a racist. In fact, he had his life put in danger several times by KKK members in prison, for the fact he had befriended many blacks and was considered a "race traitor".

And, just as a given, I decided to use my better judgement against the prosecutor's claim that Charles Manson had "Superhuman hypnotic powers, which bent his followers will to him."

I then dwelved deeper into the Manson Mythos, and discovered his stance on the environment, and how important he feels it is, his reguard for animals, and thus his vegetarianism (Not currently, as often prison guards will give him nothing but meat to eat simply to be cruel). I listened to, and greatly appreciated his music, and listened to endless speeches on philosophy from Manson. Eventually, I discovered, "Hey! This guy just may in fact be something less that the evilest man on earth!"

The moment I brought these thoughts up to my teacher, he called me an idiot, a lunatic, and told me the Helter Skelter theory is completely true, and my denying it was my supporting a murderer and psychopath. Manson has said, and I share the sentiment, reguarding the platform on which he was convicted: "Is there no intelligence amongst you at all?  Does that make any sense to anybody?"

Well, maybe to everyone else, sadly...but not me. So I looked as to WHY he ordered the murders. I very quickly found out that it perhaps wasn't he who orchestrated it all in the first place, but a man who actually helped carry out the murders, was hungry for power and control, and had a reasonable modivation to do so: Tex Watson.

Though, the Tex Watson story is a tale unto itself. Next time I write, I will touch lightly again on the subject, and quickly go over all that's been spoken of. Until then, keep a sound mind, and remind yourself never to blindly accept what you're told, but to examine, and learn for yourself what you find to be true. Be well, and enjoy life.

Yes...YES! I'm completely ecstatic today. I could attribute it to the wonderful evening I had last night, or how well today is going...but this little victory was so much more sweet. Below is a conversation (through xanga comments) between a lady and I...a fellow vegetarian and hippie, who happened to think less than highly of Manson. I guess she noticed my "Charles Manson: Innocent" webring, and took offense.

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Um i am really curious as to how any sane person could ever use the words Manson and innocent in the same sentence. The man ordered the brutal killings of 7 + innocent people for Gods sake. The man was a phsycopath.. im all for the 60's and free love and hippies and what not... but that is not what Manson was about, he was twisted dude. And so are you.
  Posted 6/8/2004 at 6:27 PM by Youre_the_reoccuring_kind

(This post was to Alyssa) 

Free Charlie? You people are insane.
 
  Posted 6/8/2004 at 5:29 PM by Youre_the_reoccuring_kind

Hey, before you started badmouthing me, did you even read up on WHY I used "Manson" and "Innocent" in the same sentence? Perhaps it's because I don't think he's some murder-ordering racist skinhead? I've checked out your journal and you seem like a really cool person, so I feel pretty insulted right now. I have done years and years of research on the man. Innocent or not, I know enough and have learned enough to feel I should be able to draw my own opinions without having to be called "twisted" or "psychotic" for it. If you haven't seen my Manson site yet, at least take a look at www.xanga.com/charlieATWA. Not only do I give numerous, thought out reasons as to why I feel he's innocent, why I feel he was framed, I even badmouth all these "twisted" people who worship Manson BECAUSE they think he's a murderer. Please, at least check out the site, try learning why I feel the way I do, and THEN come to my site and insult me.

I don't write about Manson because I think he's a murderer, or that he ordered murders. I write about him because I feel he was framed. A very elaborate framing was done by the Nixon administration in order to stamp out the hippie movement, among other reasons. Tex Watson (who has, ironically, become a born again televangelist Christian) is the man who spearheaded the murders, and who I believe is the one that wanted them done in the first place. I'm about the most pacifistic person you'll ever meet, I promise. If you get to know me, you'll find out I'm not all that twisted or psychotic, either. Thanks for listening.

-Nathan
 
  Posted 6/9/2004 at 9:57 AM by NathanBeast

Im sorry, Nathan. I didnt mean to insult you. I am just extremely curious about your ideas and no i did not just recieve the polluted hollywood version of the story, i real Bugliosi's book and several others on the matter and i just have no idea how anybody could think this man to be innocent. Im sorry if you took offense, and i would love to know more...

Posted 6/9/2004 at 10:21 PM by Youre_the_reoccuring_kind

"Im sorry, Nathan. I didnt mean to insult you. I am just extremely curious about your ideas and no i did not just recieve the polluted hollywood version of the story, i real Bugliosi's book and several others on the matter and i just have no idea how anybody could think this man to be innocent. Im sorry if you took offense, and i would love to know more..."

No offence...but Bugliosi's book IS the polluted Hollywood version. He was the prosecutor, remember? A man who was paid thousands and thousands to lie and condemn his opponents by any means necessary. That's what lawyers do. Don't tell me that you believe the murders were an attempt to take over the planet in a giant race war. Noone is going to be a "mad, evil, hypnotic powered genius," and at the same time, be so out of it as to think he could get away with something so utterly rediculous.

Personally, I don't see how anyone can buy the rediculous stories, and not raise an eyebrow. If you're really all that confused, if you really think me all that inane and profoundly off-base, and if you'd really like to learn more as you say you do, check out, and read the entire CharlieATWA site, from the beginning. It's short...it shouldn't even be two pages worth. If you want to learn and discuss, I'd really like to know what you think of my theories on the subject.

As a closing note...please don't tell me you're sorry if you offended me when you called me twisted and insane. I'm guessing here, but I'm imagining insulting me was your intention.

By the tone you take with me, I'm imagining you think very little of me, and even less of my horrible opinions. I promise, I've done a lot more research than reading the prosecutor of the joke of a trial's best-selling novel which he bought a mansion with. Check out my regular journal. You'll see I'm not at all some evil, maniacal demon. Hell, that quiz update you commented on...I stated in it my proudest moment of that day was pleasing a small dog to the point of him wagging his tail. I promise you, I'm not some monster with equally monsterous opinions. I've thought them out, I did YEARS of research, and have dealt with a rediculous amount of hatred from unsympathetic people for it. I've not held this opinion to be controversial or "different", and I certainly didn't do it for attention.

Just please, if you want to continue talking Manson, see what I have to say, and do it from an unbiased mindset. Don't read it looking for plotholes and ways to prove me wrong...read it as if you've not been conditioned all your life, like you've never heard of Manson...life's most clear and serene moments are always seen through new eyes.
 
  Posted 6/10/2004 at 1:10 AM by NathanBeast

Wasnt supposed to come off like im trying to prove u wrong. I just cant see it.. what other explanation is there? Sure theres the Nixon wipe out the hippie population idea, and that he was framed... but i have yet to hear a plausable explanation.. I hope i dont sound close minded because i really am curious..
 
  Posted 6/11/2004 at 1:20 AM by Heres_to_yesterday

(part of message cut off) Anyways...and this is just my theory. If you've read all the books, you should know all the characters, so I won't waste time elaborating on people you're already familiar with.

Bobby Beausoleil killed Gary Hinman over a bad drug deal. For some odd reason, He wrote he drew Black Panther slogans and whatnot on the walls, in blood. He was quickly captured. Tex Watson, who is Bobby's best friend, ordered, and carried out himself, several murders in a copycat attempt, writing the same Black Panther slogans on the wall, to make it appear as though there were a series of murders Bobby couldn't have committed, as they were still happening, even as he was in prison. When the real murderers were caught, they were all told they would recieve lighter sentences if they ratted out someone associated with them, or gave any information at all. Tex was the first, and the girls soon followed; they pointed at the man who originally brought them out to the desert: Charles Manson.

The way I see it, Charles Manson lived his entire childhood in a rotten environment. When he was finally out of the foster homes and prisons, he just wanted to get away. He was finally free in the 60s, and realised there were many people just as unhappy with their homes. So, he picked up anyone he met that seemed unhappy, and decided to drive away from the rest of the world. This is a common occurance...everyone in the 60s were doing similar things.

He was a folk musician, a vegetarian, an environmentalist, and was, in general, a very small, and pacifistic man. Excluding the murderers (who are twofaced, murdering bastards, who have all "seen the light", and are reformed christians), everyone in "the family" to this day insists on Manson's innocence, and have nothing but good things to say about him. Sandra Good even still runs ATWA meetings.

Also, check out

http://www.atwa.info/lies.htm

It's pretty long, but goes into several lies, some very petty (Manson's height actually being 5'7" and not 5'2", and him liking the Beatles, which he never did) but after a while of reading it, you start to see how they blatently lied several times over, over the tiniest things, just to make him seem even more scary and eccentric. If they would knowingly lie about his height, musical tastes, desire to be famous, what makes you think nothing else was fabricated?

Another story that is told in the Helter Skelter book in an attempt to make him seem monsterous... that he refused to let anyone eat until the dogs at the ranch were given enough. It was told in such a light as to make it seems as if though he cared very little for the people there, as if they were lower than animals. Actually, the story is true, but only because there were many times the people there would refuse to feed the dogs at all, and kept every scrap of food for themselves. I have read several stories from several different people who were there, who all attest Manson only asked the dogs be fed first just to make sure they were fed at all.

Also, which theory seems more reasonable for you...really think about it...

THEORY #1: Tex Watson, who helped carry out the murders himself, committed a series of copycat killings to get his best friend Bobby out of prison.

Or...

THEORY #2: Tex Watson, along with a few others, killed less than a dosen people in an attempt to start a world wide race war, masterminded by Charles Manson. Manson, who they believed was Jesus Christ, told them they could hide in a cave in the desert and eventually all the black people would kill every white person on earth, and then they would turn to Manson, a white man, for leadership, and then they would rule the planet.

Manson has never been a racist (Most of Manson's friends in prison are black, and was recently even trying to teach a black man how to play guitar, until his instrument was smashed by a prison guard).

Manson has never wanted much more than to be left alone (The moment he was let free, he ran off to a desert and ate out of garbage cans just so he didn't have to work and live in a city and have to deal with regular society).

Knowing all this, if the rediculous, outlandish Helter Skelter "take over the planet" theory sounds more realistic to you than the more likely story of the two faced, murderous asshole Tex Watson commiting a series of badly done copycat killings...I suppose I don't really know what I could say to you.

I hope the lies about his character, the theories of the REAL motives of the killings, my thoughts on why Manson was framed, and the website links to mansondirect.com and elsewhere has at least made you raise an eyebrow, and think. Either way, it's my sincerest wish that all of this has convinced you that I'm not a twisted, evil monster, who worships a murderous nazi demon...that perhaps I'm just a guy who decided to think twice about things, and saw not a cult leader nazi, but a man a bit like himself. A man who just wanted to be left alone, and had his plans, and life, consistantly ruined by violent, unintelligent people.
 
  Posted 6/11/2004 at 11:39 AM by NathanBeast

I dont think you're some kind of phsyco or anything at all. You're a very intelligent man as a matter of fact and your explanation definitely made me think.
  Posted 6/11/2004 at 2:35 PM by Heres_to_yesterday

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 That makes it all worth it. I have a strong feeling that she's going to do some research, and try figuring it out for herself. After reading her last post, I was filled with this huge sense of (admittedly, probably nieve) hope for humanity. I'm grinning from ear to ear as I write this...This may be my last update for a while, as I'm travelling the country soon...but that doesn't mean I won't stop pushing for Manson.

I would hope, that through all of this, I opened a few eyes, and possibly even inspired thought. It's my hope that anyone who's read this, and took a second look, would use this as an example for life.

Nothing necessarily is as it seems. The majority of the world eating meat doesn't mean that it's right. The majority (at least formerly) supported the war in Iraq, and that didn't make that right, either. There are thousands of mysogynistic, racist, and bigoted views, there are stupid nationalistic notions, and there is violent, irrational behavior that all seems completely commonplace, as it's been the norm, just like the idea of Manson's guilt, for so long that noone even questions the idea of it being wrong, or no alternitive being better. I guess what I'm trying to say is...Question everything. Everything you see. Only be viewing the entire world with new eyes will we ever be able to create one that makes sense. Only by viewing life without bias, without conditioning, can one ever really live fully and truly.

If you don't question, if you don't observe, if you view everything through the eyes and decisions of everyone else, what's the point? You'll count for nothing, you'll change nothing, you'll bring no light into this earth. Questioning, thinking for yourself, free thinking, is essential. Without your own mind, what are you? Who are you? What can you possibly do?

-Nathan

On a personal note...

Back by popular demand, I've decided to come back and make a few more posts. Be forewarned, it might be quite a while before I post again. I'm traveling the country in a week, picking up dozens of people who are unhappy with home life, and bringing them to a place outside of contemporary society (The Rainbow Gathering). Coincidentally, it's also in California. Sound familiar?

I want to apologize for losing my patience last time. I'm attempting very hard to present a reasonable case, and on both sides, I'm recieving mispelled, grammar deficient, thoughtless diatribes, both worshipping Manson because he's a murderer, and ones on the opposite spectrum, people bashing me without responding or even reading what I have to say. I don't mean to be blunt, but if you have nothing level headed to say in response to what I have to say (NOTICE: That doesn't include random death threats and insults or other reasons you think he's a monster), please, I'm not demanding you comment. You do nothing but make me further jaded.

Discussion #2: Conditioning

So, if you've been following along, we've discussed several lies about Manson. We've discussed, logically, why he is not a racist. Why he doesn't like the Beatles. Things that we have irrefutable proof of. We've also discussed why it is incredibly unlikely why Manson would have tried to start the rediculous "Helter Skelter."

We've discussed the real murderer and head of the killings, Tex Watson, and we've even provided a legit, and very reasonable reason behind why he would do it. We're all in agreement that Tex committing copycat murders to get Gary Hinman out of prison is a little more reasonable than Manson trying to become King of Earth, right?

We've talked about his unfair trial. We've discussed why Nixon condemned Manson before the trial started (Which is illegal, by the way, but noone's counting, I suppose), and we've discussed how he was not even allowed to represent himself in court. (also illegal).

So, just go along with me here on this one...please. Manson was given one of the most the most unfair and and THE most publicised trial in history, he has been constantly and consistantly lied about, IRREFUTABLY (we have proven this, there is no arguing it), we've also explained why he was framed, who the real mastermind was, and why he did it. This would all seem to be enough to make people take a second glance at it all, right? It should be enough to get people to open their eyes, and get at least one person on this entire forum to discuss the silliness behind Helter Skelter, right? No?

No, you say? I've done some thinking, and I'd have to agree. It's not. People are very stagnant minded. It's easy to learn English as an infant, but somehow a foreign man who has lived in America 10 years will still not be fully familiar with the native language. He has become set in his ways. The cliche about the old dog learning new tricks comes to mind. I guess what I'm saying is...People have become conditioned to the idea of Manson as a homocidal maniac, the most scary man on earth, and no matter what, it will be next to impossible to change minds at such a point.

This should be self explanatory, right? Just give it some small amount of thought. The media has said, again and again, "Manson is a monster, Manson is evil," with no real organized and sufficiently loud enough voice to be heard. People have been told one thing, been subject to one voice, again and again, with nothing to counter it.

What's worse, is the counter culture goths, the skinheads, the racists, and the serial killer obsessed creeps who worship Manson because they LIKE the fact he is supposedly this evil demon, which just further engraining in the world's mind that Manson is indeed this monster.

A likely question one would ask, after hearing and acknowledging this, is why? Why would people spend millions of dollars to incriminate someone?

Because, sadly, Manson is also one of the most marketable people alive. Everyone's interested in crime, and no trial has ever gotten more coverage than his. If indeed he was a killer, he'd be the most interesting one of all. A psychotic hippie murderer, a failed muscian who wanted revenge, the nazi racist who tried to take over the world. All of these untrue, but twisted images sell, sadly. People want to read that. You'll not find a single unbiased movie or book or document...people don't want a moderated story, and the masses certainly don't want one that glorifies Manson. People like their creepy horror stories.

To distributors and storytellers, Manson has equaled money. That's all that's mattered. Exaggerating the story of a condemned man (one the story teller might already think guilty) probably doesn't seem like some unpardonable sin in the writer's mind. In fact, making an even sided story would most likely make for a dull movie/book/tabloid/magazine article.

After years and years, it would seem that there is no further cause to question. After 30 years of hearing it and being told by people who can profit from it, unanimously damning Manson, there is no question in America's mind.

As further proof...just look at the comments left here. I could go on and on forever, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt he is innocent, and I'd still get people complaining here, I'd get name calling, cursing, people totally disreguarding what I have to say, just to tell me they love Manson because he's "an evil genius and the best killer ever"...

So, beyond the logical platform I've discussed here showing the real murderer's guilt and Manson's innocence, I've now shown you why he is feared, hated, and condemned as he is, without any truly strong, media influencing voice defending him...because Charles Manson is the biggest media victim and caricature on the face of the planet. 

I apologize in advance, but I think I'm going to stop with the updates for now. I'm at a complete and total loss. I attempted to open a few eyes. I give up. Practically the only comments I got on this forum were racist skinheads who support Manson BECAUSE they think he's a psycho murderer (Why the hell would you join a "Charles Manson: INNOCENT" Webring if you think he's a racist murderer?) Just look at the people on the list. Half of them are racist/serial killer obsessed morons. The other half are decent, intelligent people who already share my views. I've changed noone at all's view. Do you people even read? Look at the comments this has gotten! I asked to discuss Helter Skelter, how that theory could possibly be valid. I get a few paraphrases of books and websites from other people, either "proving he's mentally disturbed", or simply telling me, "Just because he's vegetarian doesn't mean he's good!!"

Has everyone become so complacent that they've just come to all the conclusions they need to at this point? Do they just see the word "Manson" and decide to spout their thoughts, not even looking at others views? Are yours so irrefutable that it's a complete waste of your time to look and learn and observe?? I've read Helter Skelter. I've read Taming the Beast, I've read "In his own words," If you can even call it that. I've looked at both sides. I looked at both sides, I weighed them evenly in my mind, and came to what I thought was a fair conclusion. Only 1/8 of my visitors could say the same.

Just look at the state the world's in, mentally! I tried having a discussion with two different people yesterday. I tried asking these two people why one was a racist, and why one hated gay people. After a few minutes of speaking to each, I got the same response, "Could we not talk about this? You're hurting my head...I don't like thinking this hard." You know what's sad? This response didn't shock me! I hear this kind of talk all the time! What does this say to you!? Nobody thinks, nobody wants to learn. It's so incredibly sad...90% of the people I meet are complacent minded morons...they're completely content knowing the bare minimum...they're intelligent enough to hold a job...they work at it, they get their money, and they fill their houses with useless items they find worthless and old within a month. They do this while people are starving. They do this while there are people begging for food, for a fucking blanket...they do it when these people are right outside their doorstep.

You know what? I'm fucking tired of it. I wash my hands of you people. You dead-minded sheep who won't read a damned word I say, condemning Manson and cursing me for holding views you won't even bother to acknowledge, and you fucking skinhead racist morons who worship Manson...not the Manson that I see, but the Nazi, Cult Leader, Evil Murderer one...you are perhaps even worse than the others! I'm done with all of you. I'm done with trying to spoon feed knowlege to adolescents and adults with the open mindedness of old men, and the intellect of children!

You want to love Manson for being a killer? Go ahead. You want to mindlessly agree with what the media tells you, and go along with the fact that he has hypnotic, supernatural powers? Go ahead...it's easier than thinking, isn't it? Nobody would want to ask you of such a task.

All I have to say is this...if the people here are representative of our future...we have no hope for advancement. We're still going to hate, we're still going to continually hack away at our resources, our environment...we're still going to go to war over the stupidest shit, and we're all going to kill ourselves, because we're morons. And sadly...there will probably always be a 10% of us that knows what's going on, who can see the state of blindness and bullheadedness we're in...and can do nothing about it.